Either I abandon the idea of having two sets of counters from 2 editions of this game, or I get another storage box.

More counters are coming, from a couple of expansions.  Hmmm.

Unboxing, Sorta…

Same sized box

Bigger rulebook, 96 pages vs. 166 pages

One sheet of counters is the same in both editions; the new edition has many more counters per sheet

I think I’m gonna need a bigger box for counters

The new rules no longer need these carrier group counters, so I’ll pack them away with the older 2000 set


From most of the posts on regarding Federation and Empire, having a second copy of the game is a good source of ship counters, which you’ll need plenty of, apparently.

There’s also a module for Vassel, for online play, so that’s a play option, too.

It’s just too bad that the two empires/races (Gorn/Romulan) that I most want to play are on opposing sides.  Though that might make for a good starting point for learning the game.


That’s one word to describe me right now.

I was browsing, and came across some of the old Amarillo Design Bureau that we used to play, like Starfire, Star Fleet Battles and Federation and Empire.

For some reason I started reading more and more about the last one on that list, Federation and Empire, which we never got to play, back in the day or more recently when we played a couple of games of Federation Commander.

But my interest in tabletop wargames perked my interest in this grand scale Star Fleet Universe game, so I pulled out my set from 2000, and compared it to the specs for the 2010 set.

Basically, I would need to get an updated rulebook and 3 countersheets from ADB, which included a $14(!) shipping charge.

But checking eBay, I found a ‘ding n dent’ copy for about $3 more than just the parts, so I went and bought it.

The game should be arriving next week.  I’m gonna solo play this, if at all possible.